| 11 AUG 2003 at 2:38am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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I really have never smoked nor been tempted to try. My father impressed on each of his 3 kids at a very early age that is was a nasty addiction. We lived with his smoking at the dining table and his ashtrays that we had to empty. I have started brainwashing my kids against it. Society is on my side over this. Public gathering places are smoke free out here as well as restaurants, pubs, offices, pulic buildings, shopping centres, cinemas, buses, etc.
As for alcohol, I remember tasting my father's port when I was about 6. Ghastly stuff. However when they are teenagers we will let them drink wine and beer at home with us so they learn to control themselves around it.
As for sex and drugs. These are the big ones aren't they? I shall be going for a zero tolerance on one of them and informed discretion on the other. My aim is to equip my sons to survive in this world and find happiness. If I didn't think it was possible, I wouldn't have started a family.
I do know that I will fight tooth and nail if either of them gets invovled in smoking, drugs or excessive drunkeness.
Daryl
Sorry but I don't agree that pot smokers are harmless drivers. There have been a couple of fatal crashes here lately involving stoned drivers. I think you have been lucky to skim through your decandent youth unscathed. As for desperate mums' - how about the bicycle couriers who break a million road rules an hour? And the people who just have to talk on the phone while driving? grrrr
MichalN
Sorry don't have official facts and figures to quote you. Haven't got that sort of memory.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 2:51am |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 2:38am)
MichalN
Society is on my side over this.
Daryl
Sorry but I don't agree that pot smokers are harmless drivers. There have been a couple of fatal crashes here lately involving stoned drivers.
Well I smoked tons of joints and never got in an accident. So I disagree with you on this. Society has a stick up it's ass. I don't trust society to tell me what to do. Which is why I live in California in the first place. We don’t like society in California and do what the fuck we want to.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 3:18am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | And you know something Daryl? You're likely to have a kid who doesn't bring you any strife or worry in that department so you'll never be called upon to put your liberal views into practice.
I shall maintain a zero tolerance to drugs in my household. There is no way of telling whose kids are suseptible to addiction or any of the other problems. You seem to have negotiated the rapids safely. I intend to talk my kids out of even getting their feet wet.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 3:24am |
STooGE4444, EastCoastDoom...Schattenjger
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 12:56am)
As for pot, there is now some solid clinical evidence that pot smoking destroys the brain rendering you incapable of making sensible decisions by middle age and in those susceptible to it, it can induce schiczophrenia.
...sorry Caroline but pot doesn't destroy neurons. It does do the second part you said but it only inhibits the action potential of neurons for a given period of time....ecstasy on the other hand, makes the terminal end of a neuron dead...it doesn't kill the whole neuron but only the transmitting part of certain neurons....
Michal....
Originally Posted By MichalN (11 AUG 2003 12:29am)
In rare cases.
You mean doing stupid things while drunk?
This is a good point because I wasn't even thinking about doign stupid thigns while drunk or on drugs....I think that is a given and largely depends on the person...
When I think of these things, I am thinking of the health issues....alcohol consumption causes cancers of all sorts....mouth, throat, liver, pancreas, kidneys, stomach, etc....and many lead to death...This means that if cancer is a byproduct of alcohol why would people drink it?
Also, compared to many popular traditional drugs, Alcohol is the only drug/substance that has a lethal withrawal....
Same with drugs (not all because it depends on administration)....same cancers, lung cancer, nose cancer....and these aren't including the effects on the brain or other parts of the central nervous system....
...yes, you're right 1 time against all probability won't make you an addict....but why even do it if these issues are apparent...
Originally Posted By MichalN (11 AUG 2003 12:29am)
Maybe we can agree that alcohol has different effects on different people?
..oh yea, this is definitely true....sex, race, age, and genes all affect impact of alcohol....along with how much food you can eat...this is definitely true....
as for driving under any influence...
Originally Posted By Daryl (11 AUG 2003 2:50am)
Well I smoked tons of joints and never got in an accident. One exception doesn't make her statement false....
any type of influence can impair your mental facilities and physical reactions....
...let's say this....some guy takes genetically engineered G14, manufactured by the US government, and isn't supposed to get paranoia....so he drives....he he actually starts to halluncinate.....you're saying hallucinating while driving won't affect your driving skills? Why do you think that they don't let schizophrenics drive without their medication?....
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 4:00am |
Z-GirlPrivate Detective
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Status : Online | Great question Gamergal!
Here are my 5 goals before I croak (as stupid as they might be)....
1. For my boyfriend and I to be as successful as he hopes
2. Fulfilling my dream of having a career in animal service
3. Learning a foreign language fluently. Actually, if I could learn more than one, that would be just dandy.
4. To be as patient and mature as I wish to be, and to forever keep my temper under control (that'll be a hard one).
5. To continue to write poems regularly, as well as having an inspiration for writing them.
Oh, and I've thought of a number 6.....
6. To complete all the dozens of adventure games I have sitting in my closet that I've never opened.
....that's a BIG one!
Z-Girl
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 4:01am |
adventuredogGuild Master
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By MichalN (10 AUG 2003 5:54pm)
No, everyone should do it at least once. How do you know it's bad unless you tried? Michal, Michal you're slipping. Hardly a worthy argument. It just begs the "So does that mean we should try jumping off a cliff at least once? How do we know it's bad unless we try it?" rejoinder. :
I think getting drunk is fun, not that I do it very often (these days prolly under ten times a year, and I never drank a lot). But you gotta know how much alcohol you can handle - having headaches afterwards or getting sick is not fun. Again, why? I haven't drunk alcohol in over 25 years. When I was drinking, I never thought that getting drunk was fun. For some reason, I thought it was culturally expected as I "grew up". It was just stupid of me when I did - never liked the way it made me feel.) You say getting drunk is fun, yet headaches and getting sick afterwards is not fun. So why do it?
Still adventuring after all these years!
Patiently awaiting The Last Crown: Haunting of Hallowed Isle, and Bracken Tor...
... and Asylum if it's not tooooo scary...
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 4:18am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By StooGE4444 22-90 (11 AUG 2003 3:23am)
...sorry Caroline but pot doesn't destroy neurons. It does do the second part you said but it only inhibits the action potential of neurons for a given period of time....ecstasy on the other hand, makes the terminal end of a neuron dead...it doesn't kill the whole neuron but only the transmitting part of certain neurons...
thanks Stooge. er... how do you know all this stuff? and is that a herbal cigarette your avatar is smoking?
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 6:01am |
STooGE4444, EastCoastDoom...Schattenjger
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Status : Online | I took a whole year of non-major bio here at college...it's the useful facts without the hardcore chem....
...no, it's a cigar....
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 7:05am |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Gamergirl,just don`t if your sister is addicted.
Daryl,how can you boast about taking drugs?
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:13am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | 1 Meet all the members of this forum...
2 Post my pic
3 4 5 classified...sorry
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:16am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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- because he's a rebel.
Godfather
- I'll put on a bbq for anyone who makes it to my front door.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:24am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 8:16am)
Godfather
- I'll put on a bbq for anyone who makes it to my front door. Let me think about this challenge for a while
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:25am |
AnneGuild Master
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:30am |
CarolineJA+ Overseer
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Are you thinking of Daryl as a conformist rebel. He conforms to his own rules. Surely you've figured that out by now.
GF
challenge? what challenge? Strewth, it was an invitation mate. :
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:31am |
VorpaxSpace Cadet
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1) Go sky diving always wanted to do that
2) Write a book… forget publishing every time I try I get distracted.
3) More travelling, see more places and learn different cultures.
4) To be frozen and woken up a hundred years or so from now so I can just play and read every thing with out waiting. I wish
5) Win the lottery I guess.. Help if I put in on though.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:41am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 8:30am)
GF
challenge? what challenge? Strewth, it was an invitation mate. :
For me it's a challenge and a BIG one...
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:45am |
| Deleted User | Classified huh Godfather? Must have something to do with women is assume? :
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 9:23am |
StammerGuild Master
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Sarah (11 AUG 2003 8:45am)
Classified huh Godfather? Must have something to do with women is assume? : You start knowing me! That must change at once.... >
Resistance is not futile, we're gonna win this thing, humankind is too good, we're not a bunch of under-achievers! We're gonna stand up, and we're gonna be human beings. We're going to get fired up about the real things, the things that matter! Creativity, and the dynamic human spirit that refuses to submit.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 2:58pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Caroline (11 AUG 2003 2:38am)
I really have never smoked nor been tempted to try.
I have been tempted to try and I did try and found out that it's not so great. So I never really smoked.
As for sex and drugs. These are the big ones aren't they? I shall be going for a zero tolerance on one of them and informed discretion on the other.
Zero tolerance on sex and informed discretion on drugs? Odd
I'm sorry to say that zero tolerance on drugs is a somewhat extremist attitude. And one that ultimately has to fail, just like the entire "war on drugs". I'm sure you know very well how successful the Prohibition was.
You're trying to make drugs look like a black and white issue. It is not. Yes, many drugs are bad, some can even kill. Addiction is always bad. But I've also met many 'stoners' (people now in their forties or fifties) who did not exhibit any ill effects at all. I bet there are a few on this board
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 3:15pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By adventuredog (11 AUG 2003 4:01am)
Michal, Michal you're slipping. Hardly a worthy argument. It just begs the "So does that mean we should try jumping off a cliff at least once? How do we know it's bad unless we try it?" rejoinder. :
Hardly a worthy counterargument Some actions have rather predictable effects. Drinking does not
So you don't want people to drink... but you don't mind them driving a car? Even though you know how dangerous driving is?
Again, why? I haven't drunk alcohol in over 25 years. When I was drinking, I never thought that getting drunk was fun. For some reason, I thought it was culturally expected as I "grew up". It was just stupid of me when I did - never liked the way it made me feel.)
See, I like the way it makes me feel. I fully respect your decision not to drink - why can't you respect mine?
You say getting drunk is fun, yet headaches and getting sick afterwards is not fun. So why do it?
I got sick afterwards once and had headaches maybe 10% of the time.
Just for laughs, here's a little story (true story, far as I know) about the dangers of alcohol. My great-grandfather died in an accident caused by his drunkenness. He was in a pub, drunk - he was drinking a lot, relatively speaking. He had a knife which he for some reason wanted to jab into the table he was sitting at. Unfortunately he missed and hit himself. He died of the wound shortly afterwads. The odd part of it is, he was 95 at the time.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 8:58pm |
KsandraSchattenjger
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Status : Online | I think all of you are being a bit over the top. Being drunk can be quite fun - it makes you feel relaxed and happy, and if you've had an especially bad or stressful day it can help you just forget everything. On the other hand, driving while drunk or stoned or whatever is not a good idea.
Here is my guide to sensible drinking: don't mix drinks. Eat something beforehand, and drink water inbetween. I don't claim to have always folllowed these rules, but they do help.
As for hangovers, they're just something you have to get used to if you plan to get really drunk. If you behave irresponsibly, you have to be prepared to accept the consequences...
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 9:57pm |
MichalNGrand Inquisitor
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By Ksandra (11 AUG 2003 8:58pm)
I think all of you are being a bit over the top.
I'm not! Except perhaps I'm overreacting to an overreaction.
Being drunk can be quite fun - it makes you feel relaxed and happy, and if you've had an especially bad or stressful day it can help you just forget everything. On the other hand, driving while drunk or stoned or whatever is not a good idea.
Here's a sensible woman
Here is my guide to sensible drinking: don't mix drinks. Eat something beforehand, and drink water inbetween. I don't claim to have always followed these rules, but they do help.
Yes, I can attest to that. Drinking beer and later 'schnapps' doesn't seem to cause me any trouble but it's best to stick to one kind of drink - and obviously, not drink too much!
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:18pm |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By Anne (11 AUG 2003 7:05am)
Daryl,how can you boast about taking drugs?
Anne, there is a big difference between stating a fact, honestly and openly, and boasting about it. I was using my own experiences with driving while toking up to explain how slowly one drives when smoking pot, hence the chances of causing an accident is not very likely.
I don't promote pot smoking, nor do I go to the doctor and pop prescriptions for every mood problem either.
I am just promoting an honest discussion, Anne. Better children have someone willing to be open with them in a cautious yet open manner than have the whole roadmap called off site at the outset...what better way to make them sneak around behind your back than let them "no" you will not tolerate certain things?
One is able to tolerate quite a lot in order to get a child back on track. Screaming "NO" at them won't accomplish anything at all.
Back to pot - stats show a kid will try it. My objection to smoking it is that it has a tendency cause one to accept things they wouldn't otherwise. Sort of like an escape from rising to the challenge. Course if the challenge is a belligerent intolerant parent, the condition will only be exacerbated.
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| 11 AUG 2003 at 10:23pm |
AnneGuild Master
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Status : Online | Daryl,I was so hot and grumpy all day.It was unjustified.
It is now12.05am and cooler.Sorry dear.
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