| 2 MAY 2011 at 6:19pm |
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No doubt, but the topic is probably off limits on these forums.
Cheers, Terry
Edited to correct a misspelled word.
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| 2 MAY 2011 at 8:51pm |
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Status : Offline | Apparently, it turns out that this sort of thing doesn't just happen at the movies! Speaking of movies, I hope the movie they make of this one day does it justice.
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 7:27am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Terry_Penrod (2 MAY 2011 6:19pm)
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No doubt, but the topic is probably off limits on these foirums.
Cheers, Terry
I honestly do not see why it should be off-limits, unless we manage to somehow turn it into a discussion about politics and religion, which might not be so easy, since we hopefully don't have members who support terrorism on this forum. I sincerely hope we don't!
Keeping in mind that the website has a new owner, and a whole lot of new members who are not really interested in getting involved in political/religious discussions, I'm thinking one shouldn't try to artificially limit conversations too much, since then one might just as well just stick to the other two Adventure sites, and not bother with this one anymore. The main reason, in fact, that I've always preferred this one, has been the relative freedom of thought and speech to be enjoyed here.
In fact, in spite of the ban on religion and politics, other world issues such as global warming, environmentalism, animal rights, the preservation of species, and whether we should have a monarchy in England or not, have been discussed here in the past few months, all of which are political issues.
There is a difference between mentioning a world event, and making a political discussion out of it. If the Pope gets assissinated, or the Pentagon gets blown up, or Obama has a heart attack, or some kid shoots 10 of his teachers and 2 pupils, all of these are potentially political issues, but in themselves as far as they are worth mentioning, are merely world events. I would expect the current membership of this forum would be discreet and circumspect enough not to turn a mere news event into a political or religious debate.
SirDave Posted on: Yesterday at 4:50pm
Speaking of movies, I hope the movie they make of this one day does it justice.
You're absolutely reading my thoughts there, SirD! As I saw the story unfold on the news, I was thinking: I wonder how long before they make a movie out of this...
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 5:06pm |
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Status : Offline | It's interesting how the initials of major Al-Queda operatives have become 3-letter acronyms: OBL, KSM, ABZ, KFC
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 6:27pm |
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Originally Posted By placeholder (3 MAY 2011 7:27am)
Originally Posted By Terry_Penrod (2 MAY 2011 6:19pm)
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No doubt, but the topic is probably off limits on these foirums.
Cheers, Terry
I honestly do not see why it should be off-limits, unless we manage to somehow turn it into a discussion about politics and religion, which might not be so easy, since we hopefully don't have members who support terrorism on this forum. I sincerely hope we don't!
Keeping in mind that the website has a new owner, and a whole lot of new members who are not really interested in getting involved in political/religious discussions, I'm thinking one shouldn't try to artificially limit conversations too much, since then one might just as well just stick to the other two Adventure sites, and not bother with this one anymore. The main reason, in fact, that I've always preferred this one, has been the relative freedom of thought and speech to be enjoyed here.
In fact, in spite of the ban on religion and politics, other world issues such as global warming, environmentalism, animal rights, the preservation of species, and whether we should have a monarchy in England or not, have been discussed here in the past few months, all of which are political issues.
There is a difference between mentioning a world event, and making a political discussion out of it. If the Pope gets assissinated, or the Pentagon gets blown up, or Obama has a heart attack, or some kid shoots 10 of his teachers and 2 pupils, all of these are potentially political issues, but in themselves as far as they are worth mentioning, are merely world events. I would expect the current membership of this forum would be discreet and circumspect enough not to turn a mere news event into a political or religious debate.
SirDave Posted on: Yesterday at 4:50pm
Speaking of movies, I hope the movie they make of this one day does it justice.
You're absolutely reading my thoughts there, SirD! As I saw the story unfold on the news, I was thinking: I wonder how long before they make a movie out of this...
I have no idea what the new website owner's policy may be on Political and Religious topics, Traveller. But until we hear differently, I will respect the ban put in place as a result of countless extremely heated, often very abusive discussions in the former JA+ P&R forum.
While I see no problem simply acknowledging world events like this, when such passionate subjects do arise, they invite passionate debate and it's probably prudent to advise any new members who weren't around for those ugly fireworks to post cautiously.
Otherwise, how is someone new to these forums supposed to know where to draw the line when commenting on topics that generally ignite intense feelings if we old-timers don't warn them?
Cheers, Terry
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 6:59pm |
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Originally Posted By SirDave (3 MAY 2011 5:06pm)
It's interesting how the initials of major Al-Queda operatives have become 3-letter acronyms: OBL, KSM, ABZ, KFC
I've always felt that selling massive buckets of greasy, ultra-fattening, begging-to-be-salted, artery-clogging KFC with huge tubs of blubber-inducing, reconstituted mashed potatoes and heartstoppingly thick, "country" gravy accompanied by ponderously pound-packing piles of heavy biscuits dripping with a high-cholesterol butterlike substance at ridiculously low prices to untold millions of unsuspecting American consumers driven by fuzzy yet powerfully persuasive olfactory memories of their grandmother's comforting home cooking was an act of fast-food terrorism.
With the franchise's aggressive expansion into so many foreign markets across the planet in recent decades, this insidious plot to cause widespread obesity and other life-threatening conditions has grown to true global proportions.
Down with the Mullahs of Masticated Misery. Down with The KFC!
Cheers, Terry
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 7:07pm |
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Status : Offline | I have no idea what the new website owner's policy may be on Political and Religious topics, Traveller. But until we hear differently, I will respect the ban put in place as a result of countless extremely heated, often very abusive discussions in the former JA+ P&R forum.
While I see no problem simply acknowledging world events like this, when such passionate subjects do arise, they invite passionate debate and it's probably prudent to advise any new members who weren't around for those ugly fireworks to post cautiously.
Otherwise, how is someone new to these forums supposed to know where to draw the line when commenting on topics that generally ignite intense feelings if we old-timers don't warn them?
Cheers, Terry
...as a matter of fact, I still clearly remember you warning me, when I was a new member, Terry, and I was actually getting myself in hot water in the very thread where you had warned me...
In any case, you're right, since the ban was a decision made after the site rules were drawn up, it is prudent to warn new members who do not know that we are not supposed to have inflammatory discussions involving politics and religion, due to bad experiences with these in the past.
However, we should probably word it more extensively. …and now we have.
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 7:10pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Terry_Penrod (3 MAY 2011 6:59pm)
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Originally Posted By SirDave (3 MAY 2011 5:06pm)
It's interesting how the initials of major Al-Queda operatives have become 3-letter acronyms: OBL, KSM, ABZ, KFC
I've always felt that selling massive buckets of greasy, ultra-fattening, begging-to-be-salted, artery-clogging KFC with huge tubs of blubber-inducing, reconstituted mashed potatoes and heartstoppingly thick, "country" gravy accompanied by ponderously pound-packing piles of heavy biscuits dripping with a high-cholesterol butterlike substance at ridiculously low prices to untold millions of unsuspecting American consumers driven by fuzzy yet powerfully persuasive olfactory memories of their grandmother's comforting home cooking was an act of fast-food terrorism.
With the franchise's aggressive expansion into so many foreign markets across the planet in recent decades, this insidious plot to cause widespread obesity and other life-threatening conditions has grown to true global proportions.
Down with the Mullahs of Masticated Misery. Down with The KFC!
Cheers, Terry
You don't think KFC already has enough salt on it?
I must admit, I've always loved their mash and gravy. on't know if I could eat it anymore after what you'd just written tho. :-/
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 7:10pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Terry_Penrod (3 MAY 2011 6:59pm)
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Originally Posted By SirDave (3 MAY 2011 5:06pm)
It's interesting how the initials of major Al-Queda operatives have become 3-letter acronyms: OBL, KSM, ABZ, KFC
I've always felt that selling massive buckets of greasy, ultra-fattening, begging-to-be-salted, artery-clogging KFC with huge tubs of blubber-inducing, reconstituted mashed potatoes and heartstoppingly thick, "country" gravy accompanied by ponderously pound-packing piles of heavy biscuits dripping with a high-cholesterol butterlike substance at ridiculously low prices to untold millions of unsuspecting American consumers driven by fuzzy yet powerfully persuasive olfactory memories of their grandmother's comforting home cooking was an act of fast-food terrorism.
With the franchise's aggressive expansion into so many foreign markets across the planet in recent decades, this insidious plot to cause widespread obesity and other life-threatening conditions has grown to true global proportions.
Down with the Mullahs of Masticated Misery. Down with The KFC!
Cheers, Terry
Trust Terry to almost instantly pick up on my sometimes obscure sense of humour .
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 7:25pm |
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Status : Offline | Hmmm, it might be time to reopen that discussion. If we cant discuss off topic topics here..what is the point?
I am sure that it is possible for mods to limit abusive replies with a quick click.
I am glad the jerk is gone and I know people who are who lost loved ones.
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| 3 MAY 2011 at 9:44pm |
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Originally Posted By CrisGer (3 MAY 2011 7:25pm)
Hmmm, it might be time to reopen that discussion. If we cant discuss off topic topics here..what is the point?
I am sure that it is possible for mods to limit abusive replies with a quick click.
I am glad the jerk is gone and I know people who are who lost loved ones.
To be fair about the strict current policy, there are lots of interesting topics that simply don't evoke such high-strung emotions. Most off-topic areas of interest don't involve rabid religious fanaticsim, deadly global terrorism or the messiest aspects of international politics.
However, those that do most certainly can be discussed intelligently and with complete civility.
The probelm is, many people (myself included) can become rather irate when opinions about these extremely contentious issues clash sharply and over prolonged periods of time. Feelings get hurt, egos get bruised and petty, spiteful vindictiveness often follows.
All the above happened here many times over the course of several years and the adminstrators / moderators just got tired of playing the role of referee in a frequently brutal battle of words.
When they finally decided to shut-down the old P&R forum, some of our already-upset regular members left in a huff - including a number of otherwise very nice, sensible folks. The rest of us accepted the decision and have mostly respected it to date.
Of course, it is entirely up to the new site owner and his staff as well as our wonderfully selfless volunteer moderators if they want to reopen the message board to such potentially inflamatory topics or not.
Personally, I'm fine either way. As we all know, there are lots of other free, public web forums and chat rooms that still thrive on hotly contested debate. Some are also quite liberal about allowing outright profanity and name calling if people just want to recklessly rage / rant / vent.
Admittedly though, that kind of forum usually attracts a whole lot of angry, shallow, ignorant, immature people and the discussions tend to be pretty damned stupid.
Without question, this community is comparatively more intelligent, mature and respectful 99% of the time. But even we puzzle-loving, bookish, old geezers can be pushed into a fight when that 1% line in the bloodsoaked-desert sand is crossed.
Cheers, Terry
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 3:14am |
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Status : Offline | Today I went into a newsagent with the intention of buying my regular weekly UK paper and a commemorative women's magazine with all the wedding photos.
At the till was another female customer - around my age, disclaiming in a raspy voice how she'd never heard of him.... didn't know who he was.... some of the men she was drinking with said they'd heard of him but she had to have it explained to her..... so how important could he possibly be if she hadn't heard of him? and wouldn't it all just make more trouble?
It sounded for all the world as if she expected to be congratulated on her ignorance (but I refrained from doing so) reserving my pity for the shopkeeper who was locked into a valiant attempt at placating a customer while saying nothing to prolong the pointless exchange. I noticed that his initial attempts to explain the ramifications, the history, 9/11 etc, were quickly dropped as he resorted to platitudes.
So I guess what is one person's Big News is another person's Who The Hell Cares? A fitting epilogue for a man who made his name by inciting others to kill indiscriminately.
I really REALLY hope the White House does not EVER release the actual footage of the event. There are boundaries to good taste. Yes I know we all watched the twin towers fall, and people leaping to their deaths, but someone has to take the high road here.
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 8:44am |
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Status : Offline | Sad to say, but I doubt your hopes will be realized, Caroline. I'm not saying that the White House will purposely release footage, but for instance, I already saw a photo of his "destroyed" face on the net that must have been doctored because at that stage the US was saying no photo's had been released. If that footage ever gets leaked, it's going to be all over the net.
I guess that such ignorance as you describe could be excused in someone as remote from the happenings around 9/11 as the Australians are.
However, nobody who was in the US at that time could be ignorant of it, because not only were people fearing more attacks similar to the Twin Towers attacks, but they were also fearing biological warfare, especially that Anthrax would be released into the US population, and lots of people were wearing masks to try and protect themselves from such a possibility. It was a huge national trauma, and it totally changed the way that Americans had always taken their personal safety for granted.
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 9:22am |
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Australia may be geographically distant, be we all know what's going on elsewhere, don't you worry. Half the population still keeps in touch with relatives overseas and our TV must be easily more than 50% foreign content (ie UK & USA).
This poor chuck in the shop today, lives, I suspect, in the brain foggy land of pubs.... :
However, in the 10 years since 9/11 (see how even us foreigners have adopted that name even though the date is clearly the wrong way around), a whole generation of teenagers will be confused about bin Laden' exact role in much the same way my Greek girlfriend's 18 yr old daughter read about Princess Di on the internet last week because of all the references to her during our blanket wedding coverage had her puzzled because it had all happened while she was little.
I'm sure that's why President Obama included a potted history of 9/11 and bin Laden's crimes in his address: to inform youngsters who might not be aware of the past, or oldies who may have forgotten or possibly, the Aussies who live a long way away on the bottom of the planet round the other side... :-*
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 9:34am |
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Status : Offline | Sure, I had not meant to imply that people living 'down under' are ignorant of world events, Caroline. :-*
All I was implying is that people living in Australia wouldn't have felt such a direct impact as people living in the US.
People in the UK who are more familiar with the direct results of terrorism, might have felt more resonance with the whole thing.
I think 9/11 must in some ways have been a wake-up call to the US as to how people in in certain parts of Europe such as Spain and the UK must feel, -having the vague threat of terrorism always hovering somewhere in the background. Suddenly it all became possible that it could happen to Americans too, whereas previously this was just a thought I would say most of them had probably never entertained before.
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 11:48am |
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Status : Offline | Well you know Trav, I was kidding you.
I think the whole western world was horrified by that attack. We've all suffered the consequences of increased and intrusive security measures. It's impossible to view the bombing as just an attack on America: it was an assault on the western way of life.
Politically and culturally Australia has strong links to America which is why our troops went with them to Iraq and are still fighting and dying in Afghanistan.
One thing that puzzles me - they reported that he was living in a $1m compound yet the furniture shown on the video seems shabby at best.
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| 4 MAY 2011 at 3:24pm |
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A million dollars just doesn't go very far these days and I suppose 100% discreet, trustworthy housekeepers are hard to find for even the most well-heeled terrorists.
Cheers, Terry
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| 9 MAY 2011 at 11:44am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Caroline (4 MAY 2011 11:47am)
One thing that puzzles me - they reported that he was living in a $1m compound yet the furniture shown on the video seems shabby at best.
Or IKEA had all furniture removed, so they wouldn't be linked to terrorism
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| 11 MAY 2011 at 12:53am |
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Status : Offline | I particularly liked the video where Osama is hunched over wearing a Snuggie.
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| 11 MAY 2011 at 2:14am |
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Status : Offline | I'm going to stop reading all the comments coming from his family about the indignity of him being shot and buried at sea. How dare they complain and demand a fair trial. How about the indignity of all his victims jumping from that burning building? I need to avoid such issues but it's obvious that it ain't over yet.
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