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Status : Offline | Yep. I really hope Skyrim is going to be as good as it sounds. Here's more: http://www.oxm.co.uk/26155/bethesdas-todd-howard-on-elder-scrolls-5-skyrim/
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| 17 MAR 2011 at 3:06pm |
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Status : Offline | Yes it sounds exciting indeed. I have been following this for years and am so glad that Beth continues to lead in such amazing world making. They are truly one of the great game developers....and worthy of the challenge.
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| 1 APR 2011 at 7:24pm |
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| 7 JUN 2011 at 11:28am |
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Status : Offline | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-elder-scrolls/714852
Gameplay video fro E3
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 3:14am |
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 7:19am |
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Status : Offline | Yes, I'm getting quite stoked, despite my cynicism after the disaster called Dragon Age 2 I'm losing my faith in sequels).
...and it's still more than 4 months to go! [smiley=hyper.gif]
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"They are not reciprocally sublated--the one does not sublate the other externally--but each sublates itself in itself and is in its own self the opposite of itself" (Hegel, from The Doctrine of Being)..."
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 1:49pm |
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Status : Offline | There's no doubt that Skyrim will be better than all previous elder scrolls, dragon age 1+2, neverwinter nights 1+2 together + everything else in the world that has ever existed, or will ever exist by exactly 790754324594043112958704843892128128349040233078184838482 quadrillion times.
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 1:56pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dwwa (9 JUN 2011 1:49pm)
There's no doubt that Skyrim will be better than all previous elder scrolls, dragon age 1+2, neverwinter nights 1+2 together + everything else in the world that has ever existed, or will ever exist by exactly 790754324594043112958704843892128128349040233078184838482 quadrillion times.
Erm... it would have to be pretty exceptional to beat Morrowind and Dragon Age : Origins.... in my book, anyway.
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 2:25pm |
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Status : Offline | Morrowind in particular (with a few mods) is a tough game to beat for any other open world CRPGs. I really do hope that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. From the videos that we have seen, the world does look more living and interesting to explore. I just hope that they decide to hire a few more voice actors this time around...
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 2:36pm |
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Status : Offline | I agree that Skyrim might end up a more interesting experience than Oblivion, for a few reasons:
1) technology has advanced since then
2) the devs have recognized a need for more complexity, and I think we've seen some evidence of this in the previews and trailers
3) the devs have recognized the need for a bit of a return to the "otherness", the originality that we saw in Morrowind
4) The modders have had a chance to practrice a lot on Mwind and Ob, and are sitting waiting, flexing their muscles, I'm sure...
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 6:52pm |
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Status : Offline | Indeed, and that is why I have high hopes for the game. Though I would feel even safer if Obsidian & Bethesda cooperated, they are both good at different things, and if they were to work together, we might see an amazing game.
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 10:23pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fnord (9 JUN 2011 2:25pm)
Morrowind in particular (with a few mods) is a tough game to beat for any other open world CRPGs. I really do hope that Skyrim is better than Oblivion. From the videos that we have seen, the world does look more living and interesting to explore. I just hope that they decide to hire a few more voice actors this time around...
i agree, the small amount of voice actors really killed some of the realism in oblivion :-/
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 10:23pm |
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Status : Offline | Oh, and this is just beautiful. It is all the main themes from all the main TES games through the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adlIBRAy6uM
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| 9 JUN 2011 at 10:27pm |
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Status : Offline | I hope we will still be able to ride a horse.. it was one of my favourite things from oblivion, the freedom you'd have of getting your horse from the stable, riding it along the road, finding a village, a city, a lake... Ah!
[img]http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/66795226-3.jpg[/img]
Wow, now that I'm seeing my old screens from oblivion I can notice how much graphics have changed in past years. they don't look that nice now, but back in the day they were quite advanced for the time...
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 12:58am |
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Status : Offline | I still love Oblvion and with mods and distance view files added I still think there is not a 3D world or game or sim that can rival the beauty of Oblvion.... it is a near perfect world visually with the right tweaking and love....
[img]http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/5541/viewfromanvildawn.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3944/nightride.jpg[/img]
I too love the horses, my horse Max and my companions's Horse Hellfire have been with us for many years now...and will be with us for a long time to come.
Re the new Skyrim game, I do think we will have horses and maybe some enhancements to them...
i wanted to give notice, as i see there are giant spiders planned, i plan a mod that will convert them to something else as i HATE spiders with a passion and know others who feel the same,...so they will be modded away in my version....but otherwise i am very happy with what I see.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 1:52am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Fnord (9 JUN 2011 10:23pm)
Oh, and this is just beautiful. It is all the main themes from all the main TES games through the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adlIBRAy6uM
Thanks Fnord
www.youtube.com/user/Taioo
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 9:19am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Taio (10 JUN 2011 1:52am)
Originally Posted By Fnord (9 JUN 2011 10:23pm)
Oh, and this is just beautiful. It is all the main themes from all the main TES games through the ages:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adlIBRAy6uM
Thanks Fnord
Wow, Taio, and this is you who posted it there? Good work! 8-)
Listen Taio, can I put in a request? PLLEEEEZ won't you try and do us a recording of the Gray Matter theme song?
OOh, you're playing the Morrowind theme now, (I dlded the recording, ansd listening again) and it just gives me goosebumps! (could have been a bit longer, though, I love it so much... ) The Ob one isn't bad either.... [smiley=cool.gif] [smiley=cool.gif]
Btw; from your style it looks as if you've had classical training? Sadly I lost my lovely old Steinway upright that I'd had since childhood through circumstances a few years ao. I've been wanting to get a piano again, and have been looking around, but Steinways are scarce I don't really like the sound of a Yamaha.
Whatever (obviously an electronic piano) you're using there, has a very nice sound. If I may ask, what is it?
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 11:35am |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By placeholder (9 JUN 2011 1:55pm)
Originally Posted By dwwa (9 JUN 2011 1:49pm)
There's no doubt that Skyrim will be better than all previous elder scrolls, dragon age 1+2, neverwinter nights 1+2 together + everything else in the world that has ever existed, or will ever exist by exactly 790754324594043112958704843892128128349040233078184838482 quadrillion times.
Erm... it would have to be pretty exceptional to beat Morrowind and Dragon Age : Origins.... in my book, anyway.
Yeah, but Oblivion is better than Morrowind, and Skyrim will be better than oblivion.
Nature's first green is gold,&&Her hardest hue to hold.&&Her early leaf's a flower;&&But only so an hour.&&Then leaf subsides to leaf.&&So Eden sank to grief,&&So dawn goes down to day.&&Nothing gold can stay.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 12:02pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dwwa (10 JUN 2011 11:34am)
Originally Posted By placeholder (9 JUN 2011 1:55pm)
Originally Posted By dwwa (9 JUN 2011 1:49pm)
There's no doubt that Skyrim will be better than all previous elder scrolls, dragon age 1+2, neverwinter nights 1+2 together + everything else in the world that has ever existed, or will ever exist by exactly 790754324594043112958704843892128128349040233078184838482 quadrillion times.
Erm... it would have to be pretty exceptional to beat Morrowind and Dragon Age : Origins.... in my book, anyway.
Yeah, but Oblivion is better than Morrowind, and Skyrim will be better than oblivion.
Excuse me? Thou shalt be condemned to the deepest dungeons of gaming shame, for such utter blasphemy, sir!!!! >
Serioulsy, though, no really serious RPG'er who has been around for a while would ever make such an utterance.
...and if you want to know what most RPG'rs think... http://www.rpgwatch.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1061073827#post1061073827 they voted more than 62% in favor of Mwind in this poll, while Ob got only 18% of the votes.
It looks like it might be our own Fnord who started that poll btw?
In any case, on the RPG Codex, Oblivion doesn't have much standing either, and you'd get an even lower score for Oblivion there, with most points going to Morrowind and Daggerfall once again.
I'm not trying to revile Oblivion by saying this, I personally actually like Ob very much, I'm just telling you the opinions in hardcore RPG ranks.
Anyway, I would ask you to not get into an Ob/Morrowind war here, though, since one of the posters here that I consider my friend is an ardent Oblivion fan, and I don't want to get entangled in anything that might turn unpleasant, such as we've had here before, regarding which game was the best of these two.
Let's just leave it at that; different people have different tastes, and for me Morrowind's unique gameworld is it's best feature. Few games can match it for originality.
Oblivion is indeed a lovely gameworld, but pretty generic - there's not much difference as to how it looks as there is to the Gothic games, the Two Worlds games, Risen, Arcania, Neverwinter Nights 2, etc, etc.
The lore of the Elder Scrolls games developed into something strange and unique in Morrowind. Of course some of it was perpetuated into Oblivion, because Oblivion is its sequel, and in that Oblivion is also lovely, although less unique. Of course Oblivion also looks prettier, because it is a much newer game, but Morrowind can also look very nice with just a few mods.
Sadly, though, a lot of the complexity of Morrowind was downgraded in Oblivion. The factions you can join had been hugely reduced; no more choice between houses, much fewer weapons and skills to choose from, easier combat, and you have a map marker to lead you wherever you need to go, instead of having to figure it out for yourself. ...so Oblivion doesn't quite present the challenge and complexity that Morrowind does; and no amount of argueing can argue that away; it is a plain and simple fact.
Otherwise, if you prefer Ob, that is your taste and your choice, based on personal preferences, and so we have nothing further to argue about, because you cannot change people's tastes.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 2:47pm |
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Status : Offline | I want to reiterate that I'm not putting Oblivion down in any sense. It is of course a more refined game than Morrowind, since it uses 5 year newer technology. Still, keep in mind that Daggerfall and Morrowind are huge games, and were quite advanced for the time they were released.
However Daggerfall was still fairly generic compared to Morrowind. I just don't know any RPG that has quite that unique flavor and lore and backstory that Morrowind has, or quite as complex a structure with that many choices.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 2:47pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By dwwa (10 JUN 2011 11:34am)
Originally Posted By placeholder (9 JUN 2011 1:55pm)
Originally Posted By dwwa (9 JUN 2011 1:49pm)
There's no doubt that Skyrim will be better than all previous elder scrolls, dragon age 1+2, neverwinter nights 1+2 together + everything else in the world that has ever existed, or will ever exist by exactly 790754324594043112958704843892128128349040233078184838482 quadrillion times.
Erm... it would have to be pretty exceptional to beat Morrowind and Dragon Age : Origins.... in my book, anyway.
Yeah, but Oblivion is better than Morrowind, and Skyrim will be better than oblivion.
Actually, and not to make Traveller angry, I second that.
Oblivion was probably the RPG that I played most, and if I had it installed I would keep playing it.
I could never go past the first city of Morrowind, the dated graphics, the lack of a proper map (I was always getting lost, couldn't really find out where to go for a quest...), and the fact that I started playing it after trying Oblivion made me not like the game much...
Playing: Skyrim (ongoing)
Last Finished: can't recall, been too long.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 3:37pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Inesrocks (10 JUN 2011 2:47pm)
, and the fact that I started playing it after trying Oblivion made me not like the game much...
erm... well, of course that is the wrong order to do things in.
If you didn't play Morrowind when it was released, or close to release date, and then never even finished the game, how can you compare? I can quite understand if you love Oblivion - it's a very pretty and a very immersive game, but if you didn't finish Morrowind, you don't know what the full game is like, right?
It's the same for me regarding Daggerfall; I never played it because it was a bit before my RPG'ing time, and I tried a while back, and the same thing, dated graphics, engine etc. prevented me from properly trying the game. ..but with my new rig, I am soon going to re-install DOSbox and give Daggerfall another go.
Of course Morrowind LOOKS worse graphically, it's a much older game. That's why even I who loved the original vanilla game, play it with mods these days.
The largeness of the areas and the getting lost is half the fun of it - you have to listen carefully to instructions - even jot them down; it's like playing an adventure - finding places are puzzles the first time around you play. Also, if you were "getting lost" you're missing the point of the game. It's not a linear game that you have to play in a certain order. It's a world to be discovered, and wherever you find yourself on the map, there are things to discover. It's a place you (virtually) live in, not a game you play in a pre-determined order. (And that is half the charm of the game, you never feel rushed; there is no time-limit to anything - whether you take a year or a day to finish a certain questline doesn't matter. )
Of course, once you've been through the entire map, you know where everything is; and also, this is not a game to rush through, you have to have the time to give a lot of time to it.
There is nothing wrong with Morrowind's map, it has very efficient large- scale and small-scale maps, perhaps you just didn't know how to access them? ..or perhaps it the lack of a quest marker that you missed? (A quest marker being an invention of newer games that I personally hate; it makes everything just too easy and takes the challenge away. You simply have to follow thew marker and don't have to think for yourself anymore. ..and don't say "just don't switch it off or don't look at it - older games had hints in place of quest markers. The NPC's or books or messages in the game world gave you hints as to where to look, you don't have that in games with quest markers. )
I have a lovely map of the place somewhere. I shall search for it and post a shot of it.
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 4:30pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By placeholder (10 JUN 2011 9:18am)
Wow, Taio, and this is you who posted it there? Good work! 8-)
Listen Taio, can I put in a request? PLLEEEEZ won't you try and do us a recording of the Gray Matter theme song?
OOh, you're playing the Morrowind theme now, (I dlded the recording, ansd listening again) and it just gives me goosebumps! (could have been a bit longer, though, I love it so much... ) The Ob one isn't bad either.... [smiley=cool.gif] [smiley=cool.gif]
Btw; from your style it looks as if you've had classical training? Sadly I lost my lovely old Steinway upright that I'd had since childhood through circumstances a few years ao. I've been wanting to get a piano again, and have been looking around, but Steinways are scarce I don't really like the sound of a Yamaha.
Whatever (obviously an electronic piano) you're using there, has a very nice sound. If I may ask, what is it?
Thanks Traveller! I had just started trying to play gray matter's theme 2 months ago when I saw that someone had already done a piano cover of it on youtube, and he did a really good job with it, so I stopped trying : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvC1HJmeD8
The keyboard I'm using is a Roland EXR-3s, but the sound comes from a VST (Virtual Studio Technology) called Pianoteq, so I can edit the sound according to the music I'm playing but I'm looking forward to buying a piano anyway
www.youtube.com/user/Taioo
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| 10 JUN 2011 at 4:52pm |
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Status : Offline | Originally Posted By Taio (10 JUN 2011 4:30pm)
Thanks Traveller! I had just started trying to play gray matter's theme 2 months ago when I saw that someone had already done a piano cover of it on youtube, and he did a really good job with it, so I stopped trying : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lvC1HJmeD8
The keyboard I'm using is a Roland EXR-3s, but the sound comes from a VST (Virtual Studio Technology) called Pianoteq, so I can edit the sound according to the music I'm playing but I'm looking forward to buying a piano anyway
I used to have a relatively cheap Roland, can't remember the model, but it was great fun playing around with composing little pieces using various instruments and orchestrations.
The piano didn't sound half as good as yours, and I think it was one of those that has one octave less than a real piano, so that is part of the reason why I didn't mind selling the thing.
Thanks for the link and the info!
EDIT: and may I just add, that your TES recording is fast becoming a favorite in my household. I've played it about 6 times today already! All the themes are nice, actually - Daggerfall especially is also very nice. [smiley=cool.gif]
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