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| 17 NOV 2009 at 3:37am | |
HalcyonSchattenjger  Posts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Thought I'd open this thread just in case I need to really yell "Help" in Oblivion. I haven't played an RPG in decades. Man, this place is huge. Already I've got one main quest and a half-dozen others. Rather confused and overwhelmed, but while I'm trying to solve one quest, I'm trying to also build my skills, gather what I think might be valuable, join a Guild, get that *&^%! persuasion down when talking to someone, and follow the red arrow. I'm having a great time and probably getting nowhere fast. _________________ |
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| 17 NOV 2009 at 6:37am | |
| Deleted User | Nah.. -don't be in a hurry; -the game is there to savour like a nice wine, not gulped down like a "shooter" cocktail! Advice I might give so far, would be not to rush into the MQ just yet, especially the siege at Kvatch. I always halt a bit before Kvatch, and go and do other things first. Luckily there are no consequences at this point, if you tarry and get yourself nice and strong first. In fact, it's quite possible to ignore the MQ indefinitely..-the only problem then is that hmmm - not sure how far you are, so don't want to spoil things for you at this point.... Btw, if I may ask, which race and birthsign did you choose? I suppose you're playing a male? Interestingly, some people like playing the opposite gender - to me it doesn't really matter which gender I play) |
| 17 NOV 2009 at 7:28am | |
CrisGerSchattenjger Posts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | yes, ditto re the Main Quest, as i said in the other thread ...take your time. enjoy. Mages Guild has a bonus of allowing you access to the Imperial University and lots of fun additional quests and adventures, and also the Mages maintain their own fast travel system which is useful ...but i always use my trusty horse Max. Once you can afford a horse they are quite nice for traveling tho I would urge you to travel on foot for a while to get the feel of the land and to learn what friends and foes lurk in the woods...there are quite a few of both. Ys as Traveller says, stay away from Kvatch for now, and just explore and get the feel of the land. The Wildlife will be ornery and the battles will build up your experience and give you skills. You can also learn skills from various people you will met about the world. I advise as well grabbing the Portable Campsite, as you need to rest and recuperate and it gives you a portable home that goes with you if you dont want to stay in inns or own a house or two yet. I would advise doing the main quest at some point, as there is a lot you learn about yourself and the land and the history from that, and you can continue to explore and evolve after that too. But for now, take your time. If you get tired of battling the wildlife you can grab an easy mod that makes them peaceful. There is plenty of other foes to battle still with that, but it makes exploring a lot more fun. Dungeons and ruined Ayleid cities are great places to get experience and loot, though you will need lock picks or lock picking skills for some things, and you will find plenty of foes in those places...there are wonderful things to discover just exploring. Yes, take a pic of your character for us when you have time. If you hold down the R key, it will hold your character in place and you can get a nice screenie of "your" face Keep us posted and enjoy. Later on, you can add companions to help you in your journey, some come fully voiced and with their own horses and some have remarkable and fun characters and storeis all their own. ah ys, thought of something else, most recent computers and systems will run Oblivion quite well but if you do have any frame rate problems, there is a low poly grass that is in my World Mod pack that makes things easeir on older systems. Just a thought. Happy adventuring. BTW my favorite country inn is the Drunken Dragon, i wont say where it is as it is fun to find it on your own. [img]http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/963/cristinatthedrunkendrag.jpg[/img] My main character and trusty horse Max at the Drunken Dragon Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 17 NOV 2009 at 11:20am | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Thanks for the help. I'm running the game on a new machine I built at 1920x1080 on a 23-inch widescreen with all the quality settings max. It is gorgeous! I posted the rest of my specs in the main thread http://justadventure.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1256776229/15 One question: How many crimes does one commit? I do not click on any red icons, not yet. _________________ |
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| 17 NOV 2009 at 11:32am | |
| Deleted User | Originally Posted By TAS (17 NOV 2009 11:19am) Not too sure what you mean by your last question, but here is a FAQ that tells you all about crime in Oblivion. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Crime Careful, you could get yourself grabbed by the guards and thrown into jail. Resisting them, and/or killing them, will land you into even worse hot water... |
| 17 NOV 2009 at 1:09pm | |
sg7Sorcerer Apprentice  Posts : 213 Joined: 8 JUN 2004 Location: UK Status : Offline | Ideally steal nothing ( unless your in the thief's guild where its mandatory) ,as you don't want to be hunted and end up with a bounty on your head. The guards have x-ray eyes as well , so even inside an empty building if you accidentally steal an item , when you leave the guards arrest you In the Witcher its exactly the opposite you can plunder a house whilst there watching you :-) but don't ( by accident in my case saving a fair maiden ) kill a town guard , you get a bounty hunter after you and he takes all your money! had to go back several saves to get round that one Playing ME3-Citadel ,TOMB raider ,Skyrim Dragonborn Waiting fot journey down episode 2 ,Dragon AGE 3 |
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| 17 NOV 2009 at 4:52pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjgerPosts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | If you reach your hand out for something that does not belong to you, you will see the red hand icon. Don't steal the guards do indeed see all. you will go to jail and then have to pay a fine, and if you are far from the nearest prison, it is a bother to have to come back to where you were. There is a mod that reduces this to a reasonable degree No Psychic Guards 1.2 http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=11911 V1.2 (both plugins) reduces the crime sound alarm to a shorter distance. The alarm distance is now the same as the voice sound distance in the game. This distance is now 1000, down from 1500 in v1.1. The original game alarm sound distance was 3000. When an NPC is yelling for help, their voice will travel a little bit farther distance than the fartherest distance you can hear them talking in the game. The NPC talking voice distance is 750. I feel this is much more realistic now. Remember that your crime will not be reported (and no bounty will be placed on your head) unless a guard is within the yelling sound distance of the NPC when the crime is taking place. You might still be detected inside a house if a guard is passing close by when you commit a crime. But I feel the sound distance is reasonable. Guards can hear the crime alarm at the same distance whether you are inside or outside. Check around first before commiting a crime in front of an NPC to make sure there are no guards nearby. Also, No Psychic Guards Harder v1.2 still drops the NPC disposition to 0 if they are the victim of ANY crime. Criminals beware. You might be attacked on sight. Crime punishment is much tougher now in the harder version, too. Glad your system is good, sounds perfect for OB, you can run it maed. Enjoy! Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 18 NOV 2009 at 3:44am | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | I'm loving this game. It seems endless. I've completed four quests and haven't focused on my skills or anything yet. Very satisfying and surprisingly relaxing. I'm enthralled with the world, as well as the limited dialog. I got arrested once....don't know why at all--maybe because I needed a rest--and I ended up resisting arrest and killing a bounty hunter. This resulted in interesting events later (jail). Much fun! When I get *serious* about skills, I'll be in touch. My biggest challenge right now is getting gold, not knowing how to barter, and I can't figure out the quick launch feature with the numbers. Thanks for recommending this. I am really having the time of my life. _________________ |
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| 18 NOV 2009 at 4:00am | |
CrisGerSchattenjgerPosts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | you can pick up jobs for gold and also loot dungeons, both can help put, you can selll to any shopkeeper just go to apprpriate shops and select the buy and sell icon lower left when you talk to them. glad you are enjoying it so much, I do too, love it. Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 18 NOV 2009 at 9:00am | |
| Deleted User | I tried to post a post about how to get gold, Halcyon, but the JA site keeps throwing it out as spam.. What do you need to know about bartering? What do you mean by the quick launch feature with the numbers? In any case, if you do quests for the fighters, they pay you quite well. |
| 18 NOV 2009 at 9:01am | |
| Deleted User | I see that my previous post has not been thrown out by the site, so I'll try again with the other post, bit by bit... Least dangerous: pick flowers and herbs, and sell them for cash, loot all containers not marked with a red hand. Check out which merchants give you the best price - some have a higher mercantile skill, which means they will pay you less %wise than one with lower mercantile skill. The merchant's disposition towards you also comes into play. Have you tried out that disposition mini-game yet? Where you play on the circular thing, trying to raise a person's disposition according to his likes and dislikes? I found the best way to practice this, is to save and then practice on some generic guard. Remember, that the more you use a certain skill, the more that skill will improve. So, even if the flowers and plants that you pick, don't bring in a lot of cash, selling them one by one, will improve your mercantile skill. |
| 18 NOV 2009 at 9:05am | |
| Deleted User | Sorry for the triple posting, but I'm trying to filter out the aspects that make the site throw me out as spam: You could also acquire the Alchemy skill to make potions, which you can sell for significantly more than the ingredients cost you. Most ingredients can be harvested off creatures that you kill, or picked as herbs and flowers. You can combine stealing and alchemy to steal food and other ingredients and "launder" them by turning them into potions. Once the stolen stuff has been turned into potions, they will not be tagged as "stolen" anymore. If you are a strong enough fighter, you can traipse around the countryside, killing creatures for their bodyparts to sell. This will also improve your fighting skills. The next step on this road, is like Cris suggested: to start looting from bandits and dungeons, and Ayleiid ruins. When looking for herbs and flowers, near water you'll often find a plant called Nirnroot. Once you harvested one, you will receive a message onscreen, saying you need to see an alchemist. Don't sell these to normal traders! Go and find an alchemist called Sinderion, in Skingrad, at the West Weal Inn. He tells you to collect a certain number of Nirnroot which you should return to him. When he's done, he rewards you with a potion. When you've gone through this a total of four times, he'll have exhausted his research, and from now on he'll just pay in gold for any Nirnroot you should return to him. This is not something you should devote all your time to, of course, I'm just mentioning it. A similar “collecting” quest, is for Shadowbanish wine. Travel to the village of Weye which lies just west of the main bridge into the Imperial City. Talk to Nerussa, proprietor of the Wawnet Inn in Weye. About "Wine". She will request that you collect six bottles of Shadowbanish Wine, which can be found in some of the old fort ruins around the gameworld, and offers to pay handsomely for them. That's enough babbling for now, I think. Let us know of your progress! |
| 18 NOV 2009 at 3:27pm | |
JKingSchattenjger Posts : 2349 Joined: 4 MAY 2008 Location: 0 Status : Offline | Originally Posted By TheTraveler (18 NOV 2009 9:04am) Easy: stop mentioning Nigeria! You can't kill someone in a studio. |
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| 18 NOV 2009 at 4:34pm | |
CrisGerSchattenjgerPosts : 2539 Joined: 28 APR 2007 Location: US Status : Offline | Traveller has given you a great list of ways of improving your income later on, funds are very useful, and they really help at any time. have fun! Admin 3D Worlds and Game Developers http://3dworldandgamedevelopers.blogspot.com |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 3:30am | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Doing well. Maybe I'm thick, but how do I call up spells and weapons quickly when suddenly in battle? For instance, I had to face a mage with a freezing spell. I had a defense, but didn't know how to quickly access it. _________________ |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 10:01am | |
| Deleted User | OMG, look what you have me doing..-I'm supposed to be playing DA, and here you have me loading Oblivion up again.. Quickattack (with weapon) is simply pressing the LMB, but I find it pretty stupid that RMB is block instead of cast. To cast a spell you have to press "C" - not very intuitive, is it? I find it rather deplorable that they don't have a quickbar at the bottom, for quick spell choice.. (or is it possible, and I simply don't know about it? : Sadly, it seems that you have to bring up the menu {TAB}, (which will pause combat, don't worry), and click on the little circle with your current spell showing, to choose another spell. I agree, rather onerous. Practice this while not in combat, by casting buffing or healing spells, or something simple like "light" or "unlock". One thing I have to say for Oblivion..-even compared to Dragon Age, a much more modern game, the backgrounds are simply gorgeously realistic.. -when I run around the countryside it feels like I'm in a real environment. 8-) |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 10:28am | |
| Deleted User | Aaargh! JA is throwing my posts out as SPAM again!!! [smiley=hair_pull.gif] I prepared a post about the mechanics of bartering, but it's blocking me, warning to ban me as a spammer.... :'( Anyway, let me try and break it up again... Regarding the actual mechanics of bartering: When you "speak" to a trader, you will see a little square with a circle as one of the buttons at the bottom of the dialogue screen. Click on it to enter the buy and sell screen. Now look at the very bottom of that screen. There is a bag and a pot. |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 10:35am | |
| Deleted User | Hmm, this time I was flagged down again, let me try some tricks with certain words: Clicking on the bag, will bring up your inventory, so that you can $ell whatever you want to by clicking on the items you want to $ell. What you have equipped on your person, will be highlighted in grey. Yes, it is possible to literally $ell the shirt off your back! Clicking on the pot, will bring up the vendor's inventory, from whom you can buy by simply clicking on the item you would like from him. If he likes you a lot, he will $ell more cheaply to you, and not sure if it's the same as Morrowind, where sadly he will also expect to pay less for your goods - they might have changed this in Oblivion, -not sure I'm more of a Morrowind fangirl). In any case, to haggle, click on the "haggle" button. Setting the slider more towards the “hard” side, will bring his price$ down, (and yours up) but if your mercantile skills are not high enough, it will upset the guy, and he will refuse to $ell to you at those prices, and also bring his disposition down a bit. So in order to haggle more successfully, it’s worth it to learn the disposition game (by clicking on the face icon – best practiced first on guards, with whom you having nothing to lose, if you mess it up.) So, at first, I recommend that you only haggle very slightly by setting the bar up only 2 or 3% harder, until your mercantile skill and skill with the disposition thingy improves, otherwise you stand to lose (lowers the vendor’s disposition) if you accidentally set the bar too high to the merchant’s tastes. |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 10:37am | |
| Deleted User | Hmm - interesting... seems the JA site does not like the s-word that indicates you are trading a product for money... [You know, $ e l l ] ..or maybe it was the P R l C E word... |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 12:21pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Wow, it doesn't like sell? _________________ |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 12:26pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | Hmmm, Trav, something else is at work here with your censorship. Weird. Thanks for all the help, and I'm sorry if I am responsible for dragging you away from DA. I don't know how the heck you ever *finished* Oblivion! I've been reading a lot of tutorials online, but it is amazing how many of them don't break things down, like "clicking on the TAB pauses combat so you can choose a new weapon or defense." I saw that nowhere. Most of them smugly glossed over the basics, saying "Well, you've been there, done that, so let's move on." I assumed you could program shortcut keys to quickly switch weapons or spells. This helps a lot. I won't narrate my progress, since you've already been through it all, but I do see how sharing this gameplay could be lots of fun. Thanks, and I hope you figure our your sell, sales, selling, etc., issues, you spammer you. _________________ |
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| 19 NOV 2009 at 1:17pm | |
| Deleted User | Hmm - seeing your need for something more alien, in the AG forum, I'm rather sorry now that we recommended Oblivion. It has a very ornery setting, hasn't it? Morrowind has a much more "alien" feel to it, as has a few other RPG's., even Mass Effect would have been a better deal then, perhaps. Didn't realise you were a kindred spirit in that regard. I hope you got the Oblivion GOTY, you might then enjoy the Shivering Isles expansion. Anyway - here's a tip I've picked up while searching for shortcut keys: Arrow keys on PC I felt it worth noting that regardless of how the controls have been setup on the PC version, the arrow keys always perform special functions in the various ivnentory/buy/sell screens from the game... Some of these can be useful shortcuts... |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 1:29pm | |
| Deleted User | [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] [smiley=hair_pull.gif] For cripe's sake!!! I'm really getting tired of JA flagging me as a spammer! It gives me this message: An Error Has Occurred! It started off with saying it will ban me after 2 more attempts... this has by now deteriorated to -7 attempts..... [smiley=furious.gif] All I tried to post was the following: Making gold The Mages Guild. Perhaps the easiest way to make gold in the whole game. Nowhere, not even in the deadlands or the shivering isles can possibly get you easier gold. Walk up to any alchemy counter while the alchemist is there. (This only works if you are a guild mage). Then take everything out of the counter and on it. This wont get you a bounty and you can keep whatever you like. Then $ell it all back to the alchemist. How come other people can use the word $ 3ll but I cannot! Urgh! It's discrminating against me!!!!! |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 2:01pm | |
| Deleted User | Well, I guess you can see I haven't played Oblivion in a while: you can indeed create hotkeys: Go into the journal/inventory, highlight an item, press a hot key number, then click on the item to put it into the hotkey slot. (1- Hope that helps. |
| 19 NOV 2009 at 2:25pm | |
HalcyonSchattenjgerPosts : 1652 Joined: 17 NOV 2006 Status : Offline | No, Trav, I don't have a need for alien settings in the least. I was simply making a point at what sets Myst apart (for better or worse) than other games. I love clanking steel and sparkling spells! Are you sure your spamming thing isn't a virus? Thanks again for your help!! I am loving this game, and you picked the perfect one for me to start with. _________________ |
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