An_InklingSpace Cadet
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Status : Online | Originally Posted By TAS (2 FEB 2009 2:58am)
I'm only talking about cartoon adventure games, not books and films, as I have said.
My mistake on extrapolating to other visual media.
Originally Posted By TAS (2 FEB 2009 2:58am)
Why must I love the games you love? Don't you have an inkling?
Now you're reading too much into my post. I never suggested that you should like the games I like, or even that you are wrong to dismiss games solely on their visual representation. In fact, I clearly stated the opposite, and questioned whether my post had a point when all we're talking about are personal preferences:
Originally Posted By An_Inkling (2 FEB 2009 2:58am)
I don't really know what the point of my post is. We're all entitled to our views and personal biases.
Originally Posted By TAS (2 FEB 2009 2:58am)
But in adventure games only...are you reading??...I want real, identifiable fantasy and adventure. I want Myst and Sherlock and TLJ and Syberia, etc. I'm not commenting on what YOU want, this is what I prefer, Ink.
You can like or dislike games for whatever reason you please, it's no concern of mine, and I did not state otherwise. I simply said it's a position I have difficulty understanding, and, rather than attacking you for your taste in games, was looking for further clarification to come to some understanding, even if only of how far your antipathy to animation extends. My interest in this is only mild, so if you don't care to elaborate, that's perfectly fine.
I can see how my previous post could be read as more aggressive and accusatory than I intended, but it was merely meant to register mild surprise, provide some explanation for my lack of understanding, and to pose some questions. It was meant to read as light-hearted and the Bambi reference was more joke than anything.
Well, here I go again. I'll be more direct with the questioning this time. Feel free not to answer if you can't be bothered elaborating.
You've clarified that the cartoony/animated visual style is not inherently repulsive to you, and that you are able to enjoy animated movies and television, citing the difference between games and other media as "emotional investment". I'm not quite seeing the distinction, as movies and television also look to draw an emotional response - crying over Bambi for instance. And pretty much any story requires some degree of identification between the viewer and the characters. Is it because you actually feel that you are "in the world" when playing a game, rather than observing, and therefore require a greater level of attachment? Is it all about the visuals, or is their some content aspect to it?
To use an example, if a Simpsons Adventure were made (assuming you are a fan, if not substitute some cartoon you do like), and had the same look as the TV series, you'd be unlikely to play it regardless of content? If so, what is it in the animated style that prevents you from connecting with it. Is it lack of emotional range, just the sheer silliness of it? And why is that acceptable in TV form?
I mean, for me, it's mostly about the content. On seeing early screens for a cutesy, brightly coloured cartoon Adventure, I'd think it may be too light, too kiddie for my tastes. But if I learnt that it had quality writing and puzzles and an ironic, even mature story that played on its cutesy look, I'd probably give it a go.
Are you averse to all types of animation in Adventure games? Or is it just a certain style? Animation styles vary greatly, some can be quite close to reality, even dark and gritty, others can be far removed, using bright colours and anthropmorphic characters. For instance, Waltz with Bashir is an animated war documentary, and as a movie is far from "cartoony", and as I said is deeply affecting. It's visual style could probably be described as cartoony (see the image in my previous post as an example of its style), but is closer to reality than something like The Simpsons. You did express some interest in The Last Express which has characters that are stylised, and could be described as cartoon-like.
Originally Posted By TAS (2 FEB 2009 2:58am)
I've tried GF a number of times, as well as Vampyre Story and a host of others, but I can't get over the goofy faces or lame looks. This is my taste in this genre. I am also a trained Shakespearean actor, but I would pass on a ticket to see clowns perform Hamlet. (Well, maybe not...but you get the analogy )
Is it that you find all or most animated faces goofy or lame? Or only particular ones. Is it that you think the cartoon style is only suited to a certain type of entertainment, maybe children's stories or comedy like Bambi and The Simpsons?
Who is this great burdensome slavering dog-thing that mediocres my every thought? ([i]Nick Cave - We Call Upon the Author[/i])
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