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14 SEP 2005 at 9:23am

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Japan is good. Now, if you were looking for information on notable landmarks in Japan, where would you go?

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14 SEP 2005 at 12:47pm

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There was a young man from Old Dart
To whom riddles were close at heart
But try as he might
With fresh clues every night
Only one could solve them in part.



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14 SEP 2005 at 1:47pm

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Old Dart?

Methinks a misspelling.

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14 SEP 2005 at 11:05pm

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Originally Posted By snowtime (14 SEP 2005 9:22am)
Japan is good. Now, if you were looking for information on notable landmarks in Japan, where would you go?


I'd go to my university, wait for a Japanese student to come within striking range, and start asking away. Why do you ask?  :


After much searching, I came up with something that actually makes sense. The answer is Mount Tsukuba. Really, it is: Science City was named after the mount, and a Toad-shaped shrine sits atop the Mount. I guess the cable is a simple cable lift, which would bring travellers almost all the way to the top of the mount.

Could there be a link between seven and the seven gods of fortune, or with the seven Kannon types? I wouldn't know what the warrior priest is doing here though.

I'd better watch out, lest anyone thinks I am actually any good at this sort of thing.  :


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15 SEP 2005 at 8:42am

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Excellent!

It is indeed Mount Tsukuba in Japan.

  • Isle of the Dawn = Land of the Rising Sun = Japan
  • Science City = Tsukuba was founded in 1987 as a science city  near the base of Mt Tsukuba
  • Toad Shrine = A famous toad shaped Shinto shrine sits on Mt Tsukuba
  • Cable Now Climbs = Cable car runs from the shrine to the summit Mt Nantai-san.


You're almost there.

Assuming no Japanese students happen to be passing. If you were looking on the web for tourist information about Mt Tsukuba in Japan, where would you go?

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15 SEP 2005 at 9:17am

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Well, I have already ransacked the Wikipedia, Wikicites, and other things in Wiki, the website of the town, and various requests didn't bring much of interest.

Then again, I couldn't search my way out of a paper bag, even if my life depended on it.

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15 SEP 2005 at 9:26am

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Try putting a few key words in Google...

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15 SEP 2005 at 9:44pm

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This routine of self-pity is really something.  :


I just go and pick up your pieces, I hope you don't mind:
Benkai tried seven times to climb to the mountain top
Google for "tsukuba warrior priest" and you are right there.  

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15 SEP 2005 at 10:37pm

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What can I say? I have a reputation to live up to. *Coughs*

And yes, I did spend a lot of time with Google, trying approximately everything involving seven, priests, warriors, Mount Tsukuba, in English, French and classical Chinese, and didn't find it. By the looks of it, I shouldn't have put mount in the keywords...

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16 SEP 2005 at 7:14am

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Clue 2 solved

Rising Out of the Isle of the Dawn,
In its Shade Science City Was Born.
From the Place of the Toad Shrine a Cable Climbs,
Where a Warrior Priest Turned Back Seven Times.

Answer: Mount Tsukuba, Japan

Explanation

  • Isle of the Dawn = Land of the Rising Sun = Japan
  • Science City = Tsukuba city was founded in 1987 as a science city at the foot of Mt Tsukuba
  • Toad Shrine = A famous toad shaped Shinto shrine sits on Mt Tsukuba
  • Cable Now Climbs = A cable car runs from the shrine to the summit Mt Nantai-san
  • A Warrior Priest Turned Back Seven Times = The path to Mt Tsukuba runs through Benkei-Nanamodori (Benkei returning seven times), where Benkei the warrior priest, most notorious for his boldness, is said to have been so afraid that he hesitated to try seven times to get to the mountaintop.


Source: wikipedia and http://www.jnto.go.jp/eng/RTG/RI/kanto/ibaraki/tukubasan/tukubasan.html

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16 SEP 2005 at 7:17am

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Clue 3: Europe

New City on a Continent’s Leg
Little Revered One Held in the Egg.
Flanked by the Son of Zeus and the Fields of Flame,
Daisy’s Messy Pie Has Added to its Fame.

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18 SEP 2005 at 6:20pm

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25 SEP 2005 at 9:46am

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26 SEP 2005 at 2:37pm

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Continent's Leg = I'd say that should be Italy, because we are definitely in Europe and nothing looks more like a leg than that

Son of Zeus = there are too many to guess

I have no clue about the rest for now. I'll check maps when my other PC is back to good health.

I can't recommend googling for "messy pie". The results almost made me throw up. Strange people...  :

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26 SEP 2005 at 4:12pm

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Well, I was thinking about Rome, for one reason or another. It almost seems to match... if you stretch it out enough, anyway.

The leg sounds like Italy (the boot), but a continent's leg also refers to something related to the Olympic Games. That sounds more likely than the boot, especially given the "a continent's" part: he already gave the name of the continent, so "a" makes no sense.

Sons of Zeus made me think of the Romans borrowing a lot from the Greeks, so they could be considered as being their sons. Then again, quite a few places qualify if you go with that reasoning. Now Fields of Flame... The only Fields that spring to mind were the ones of *something* Gold, where two kings competed for influence, but I cannot look up the exact name for the place.

And Daisy's messy pie... I doubt it is Daisy Miller, as it doesn't really make sense either (she died in Rome, but Rome hardly needs any more fame). A town in Northern France has "created" some sort of messy pie however... Perhaps I should look that up.

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26 SEP 2005 at 4:14pm

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Italy - yes

Rome - no

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28 SEP 2005 at 10:28am

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While googling for "italy egg" I found this .
Apparently the chicken who lay eggs were brought to America by Columbus from Livorno, which is Leghorn in English - that strangely fits with the Continent's Leg.
I didn't know this and it's an interesting fact. Furthermore, Livorno was almost completely destroyed and rebuilt in the 50's (New City).
But the rest doesn't match and I went down the search results a little bit...

...to find that we are talking about Naples aka Napoli aka New City. The hit about the egg is Castel dell'Ovo (Castle of the Egg). Not sure if Little revered one refers to something that's held there (in the Egg)?
I suppose Little revered one refers to Napoli itself, because many people don't like it very much (Camorra and all that...I have no clue, never been there before).

Due to the fact that the Greek founded the city - the people from Cuma settled close to their old city (Paleopolis), thus the new city was called Neapolis which became Napoli in Italian (Wikipedia is not very detailed in that respect...I found it on a German site) - the Herculaneum was built which I attribute to Son of Zeus as Hercules was one of his most famous sons.
The Fields of Flame are the Campi Flegrei (direct translation) which is a volcanic area.

Finally, Daisy's Messy Pie is simply pizza. Because what we today regard as a pizza is originally from Naples. Duh. "Che pizza!" means "What a mess!" taken from the original meaning of "pizza" which was "food made of dough". I'm not sure about the Daisy part. I only found references to a movie...?
The concept of pizza itself is definitely too old to have an inventor named Daisy...

PS: Several links are missing, because Wikipedia is more or less down at the moment.

For some reason I always read Little revered - one held in the egg and couldn't make head nor tail of it...  

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28 SEP 2005 at 11:08am

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Way to go!

Egg = Castel dell'Ovo
Fields of Flame = Campi Flegrei
Messy Pie = pizza

So, indeed

New City = Napoli = Naples

Son of Zeus is not Herculaneum but you are close enough. It is Mt Vesuvius which is said to be derived from Vesouvios, Son of Ves (Ves is another name for Zeus in his aspect as the god of rains and dews).

The rest needs a bit of work
Little revered-one refers to a famous inmate of Castel dell'Ovo

[Edit: Little Revered One = Romulus Augustus (the last Emperor of the Western Roman Empire), known as Romulus Augustulus (Augustulus = Little Augustus = Little Revered One). Romulus Augustus was held prisoner in the Castel dell'Ovo.]

Daisy. Think of a famous pizza and remember my obsession with the meaning of names.

[Edit: Daisy’s Messy Pie = Pizza Margherita. “Pizza” derives from Latin pincere “to mash up” and “Che pizza!” means “What a mess!” Margherita means “daisy”.]

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28 SEP 2005 at 8:25pm

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Of course, I was way off course. Courses! I wouldn't have figured that one out in the course a thousand lifetimes. Well done!

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7 OCT 2005 at 6:21pm

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Clue 3: Africa

Strict Seventh Brought Glory to One of Three
Captured By Vandals then Men Called Free
Digging in Secret an Excavator’s Tool
Revealed a Weary Fighter in a Cold Pool

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